Telling complex stories

Podcast Bob and storytelling

Caspar and Nele talk about the podcast Bob by AudioCollectief SCHIK. Caspar tells why he thinks this podcast is so successful.

Complexity of reality

Nele and Caspar talk about the project ‘The Leaked Recipes Cookbook’. They discuss the challenges they face regarding the complexity of reality.

Interactive documentaries

Bregtje tells us how she built the interactive documentary Lagos Wide And Close in an attempt to give the user the opportunity to create their own story and to dive into different perspectives, with the goal to provide transparency.

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Storytelling and imagination in podcasts

Emmie and Bregtje discuss the role of fiction and imagination in audio stories. She wonders how Emmie tries to evoke visual images with her audio storytelling. Emmie elaborates on her collaboration with artists and designers.

How to pick the right perspective

Emmie and Bregtje discuss how to show different perspectives to a story and how, while doing so, to do justice to the complexity of it. They reflect on their role as makers when they make decisions about the voices and perspectives that are heard in their work.

Empathy and activism in journalism

Anoek explains that she likes to connect to her subject to really understand it and to be able to expose bigger systems. Some journalists consider this problematic as they fear she will lose her autonomy and independency. Anoek and Marije disagree.

20 years Tegenlicht

Emmie Kollau wonders how Tegenlicht has changed in a rapidly evolving media landscape over the past 20 years.

How to stay transparent

Emmie and Bregtje discuss the choices they make to do justice to the complexity of a story and to stay transparent. Emmie explains how she uses voice overs to stick to the facts when her interviewee does not. Bregtje went to Saudie-Arabia and explains the choices she made to give the audience an honest idea of what life in this country is like.

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Storytelling in Laura H.

Caspar and Nele talk about the podcast Laura H. by AudioCollectief SCHIK and publisher Das Mag. Nele explains how the idea for this podcast came about, what choices were made and which difficulties she experienced in this process.


Nele and Caspar talk about the different layers in a story and to what extent a maker can do justice to reality. Nele also describes the ethical challenges she faced when making the podcast Bob.

Choosing the right form for a story

Caspar and Nele talk about the development of podcasts and selecting the suitable form and length for a story. According to Nele, the first question should always remain: is the story suitable in audio?

The goal of journalistic theatre

Marije and Anoek meet for the first time and discuss the similarities and differences between their work. They discuss collaboration across borders and journalistic theatre. Anoek explains that she tries to show her audience how complex systems work using theatre.

Objectivity in journalistic theatre

Anoek also talks about why she tries to create connection with her subject, rather than remain objective and distant.

How to create journalistic theatre

Anoek explains the research she does when she creates a journalistic theatre piece, such as De Zaak Shell (The Case Shell). Marije also wonders where she gets her ideas from.

Emotion and empathy in journalistic theatre

Anoek explains the role of empathy and emotion in her work. She also tells about the strengths of theatre for journalistic stories. Anoek explains why she decided to go back to print magazines for the same reasons.

International collaboration

Marije tells Anoek about Are We Europe, a media-outlet that she founded that aims to collaborate across borders, nationalities and generations, and the impact she hopes to have.

Telling complex stories

Marije and Anoek discuss how they both believe the ultimate goal of their storytelling is to expose how complex systems work.

Wrap up and new insights

Anoek & Marije discuss their insights after having talked for over an hour.

Impact on society

Marije and Anoek discuss their future plans and the impact they hope to have on society.