Activism and impact
Empathy and activism in journalism
Anoek explains that she likes to connect to her subject to really understand it and to be able to expose bigger systems. Some journalists consider this problematic as they fear she will lose her autonomy and independency. Anoek and Marije disagree.
How to reach people that you disagree with
Anoek and Marije discuss how they try to interact with their audiences and how to reach people that are not interested in hearing their stories.
Nuance vs. activism in documentary
Emmie and Bregtje discuss the impact they want to have on society. Both would rather show a nuanced picture and leave room for doubts, than to choose an activist side.
The goal of journalistic theatre
Marije and Anoek meet for the first time and discuss the similarities and differences between their work. They discuss collaboration across borders and journalistic theatre. Anoek explains that she tries to show her audience how complex systems work using theatre.
Objectivity in journalistic theatre
Anoek also talks about why she tries to create connection with her subject, rather than remain objective and distant.
How to create journalistic theatre
Anoek explains the research she does when she creates a journalistic theatre piece, such as De Zaak Shell (The Case Shell). Marije also wonders where she gets her ideas from.
Marije tells Anoek about Are We Europe, a media-outlet that she founded that aims to collaborate across borders, nationalities and generations, and the impact she hopes to have.
Telling complex stories
Marije and Anoek discuss how they both believe the ultimate goal of their storytelling is to expose how complex systems work.
Wrap up and new insights
Anoek & Marije discuss their insights after having talked for over an hour.
Impact on society
Marije and Anoek discuss their future plans and the impact they hope to have on society.